The “entity” of Miss Jupiter: It’s a curse, which I can get from a certain aspect, but based off of anything you want to share specifically? Can you tell me a little bit more about this curse?
Is it in regards to what you receive when you’re trying to convey it to the world, and that only certain people will pick up on it?
I guess, well first of all, well maybe not first of all, but in a big way it’s a financial thing that I have to take care of, right? And so that can be really tough when I have other things going on and it’s like, it can be really, really, expensive to make music. I supposed it can be cheap too, you can make it really cheap and just put it out there, but I guess in a way you want to make a really good product so that people would want to listen to it.
It’s also something that I can’t do on my own which that in itself is also a blessing too because it does force me to collaborate with people and bring me out of my shell to find the right people and work with them, but it can be heartbreaking as well because you go through different band members, and you lose people, and you might inadvertently destroy friendships, stuff like that. So yeah it’s something that I feel very compelled to do but it does kind of keep me up at night sometimes [laughs] and it disrupts my life a little bit but it also adds to it.
As with any art, right?
Yeah definitely. The creative struggle.
I know you dabble into different mediums, mentioned you were in a short film, you own Spacedust in LA. It’s refreshing thinking about everything a person does. And with that do you find yourself as an artist, not just as a musician, wanting to dabble into these different mediums and feel like it’s a “need” to do this and express yourself?
Definitely. I think my general philosophy is that people are born with a lot of different talents and we are kind of, we were trained by society to try and pick one thing: go to college for that one thing and do that one thing for your whole life and that’s your career.
And it’s rewarded to have this much focus on one thing that you do, and it’s weird how it’s kind of frowned upon to have multiple outlets for expression, or multiple things that you do. But I really feel like that’s what makes each person really unique. I mean there’s plenty of people making music and there’s plenty of people painting, and there’s plenty of people who own a store, but like how many people own a store and paint and make music [laughs] and clothes?
And all these things, which I feel like it’s so important for people to recognize all their talents, and just go forward with all the things that they feel drawn to. And I’ve had some really cool experiences, where you know I’ve met people in the shop who become interested in music or I’ve met musical acquaintances through the shop who end up having me make them custom costumes for stage.
And all these ways, things do just interweave and I guess I kind of use all of that to make myself feel good about, like ‘well this is me, this is my special offering and not just anyone of these things but the combination of all the things.’ Overall I just hope to inspire people through all that because it’s not something that really came easily to me.
What didn’t come easily to you? Trying to get it across?
Well, allowing myself to do it all. I initially just thought, well I’m going to be a fashion designer, that’s what it is. This is my career. And it wasn’t after until a few years after my first real job in LA that I felt like my soul was drying up and it was like ‘I gotta get out of this place because it’s not what I needed,’ not what I envisioned, not really creative, and it takes a lot to just believe in yourself.
Like I mentioned earlier, it’s like, well at least for me, alright you know I’m awesome, I can do this, I have great ideas, it’s gonna be great, and then you get there and it’s like, uhh, I don’t know. [laughs] Like, really? Maybe I was better off being secure and doing what someone else told me to do.
There’s both feelings involved and then from there it was just the little trajectory of my life, because I quit that job, and I actually did get involve, not in, well I guess a little bit behind the scenes in film, but I was working at a movie theater, an independent movie theater, and immersed myself in other things because I felt so over saturated by like this kind of hypocritical fashion world.
But I was also trying to work on my own designs. And then I also found myself going to shows all the time, and that kind of reawakened that part of me that was always singing and used to be writing music. And I didn’t even realize that I stopped kind of doing those things a lot. So, I realized like ‘oh this is a thing I have to do, I forgot about that,’ but it’s there still and it deserves to be brought out.
…And like if maybe if I’d done all that stuff when I was younger I would’ve had this big hurdle to get over, in terms of like stage fright or whatever, and I do still get nervous on stage….
I find that hard to believe that you get nervous on stage. You are an incredible performer.
Thank you. It’s mainly just the lead up. The lead up, to just stepping out is just, I don’t know. My heart is going nuts and I might be having a hard time breathing. [laughs]
Oh God, don’t pass out.
[laughs] Yeah, I kind of turn into a mess and it’s also that’s what happens when I’m even just working behind the scenes on the music too. Or even, just like right now where my song is going to come out tomorrow [May 22] and I’m like, ‘do I want to take it easy all day tomorrow or is that going to be worse for my anxiety?’ Because maybe I should just plan some things that I need to do so that I’m busy, so I’m not just thinking about that.
That’s what happens, it’s this weird sense of push and pull. I want to be focused, and I want to think about what I’m gonna do later at this show, or my release day, but on the other hand I kinda need to get distracted or otherwise all these thoughts just build up and it’s detrimental.
You did mention that you’re working on the follow-up, the sophomore?
The whole album I think that I’m, I don’t know. One thing that’s like sometimes I get a little bummed that I don’t have like a solid band and I don’t have that experience with collaborating with people on the fly, but I do feel like Miss Jupiter has to happen this way, kind of like a solo project where I have people play– whoever is available, whoever feels appropriate at the time.
Where was I going with that?
Go wherever it leads you.
Oh, but yeah so the thing that is cool about that is that I think there’s less pressure on the sound fitting into a certain pocket or certain genre at all times so I do feel more licensed to, well licensed and it does just happen this way. So on this whole album, I mean there’s this song [Modern Revelry] there’s an electronic song, there’s kind of like a folkier song…not sure if I should say electronic song, but I don’t even know how these things fit in sometimes.
Well, I’m looking forward to that. What are you looking forward to once quarantine is over, as a musician?
[Laughs] I mean a big thing is just, initially when I was in the planning stages of this album it was like…you have to plan a release show 3 or 4 months out, maybe, and you want to make sure — I’ve been meaning to press vinyl for my first album and I still haven’t gotten to that — but with this I really wanted to make sure I got it done and it was available at the show.
And it feels like it’s hard to release an album without a show and I would say, I haven’t really tried doing any live stream type of things, partially because I need like my players with me. Can’t really do anything on my own, I mean I can sing a capella, yeah sure, and maybe hammer out a little on my guitar, but ehh.
Not confident in your ability?
Not so much, no. But also that’s so, I don’t know, like I said I haven’t tried it, I really don’t know, but to me the one thing that is impossible to duplicate is the feeling: the exchange of pheromones at a live show. Like how are we ever going to get past this weird setback that makes people afraid to be around each other? And that really sucks.
And so I guess I would’ve been looking’ forward to playing live again, but a lot of places say it’s not really gonna happen again till next year, so I don’t feel like I should hold up my album just for that. Maybe it’s about coming up with something else to do? And maybe it is getting the band together to film something 6 ft apart. [laughs]
I’ve seen a lot of bands do something like that.
Yeah, just have to see what everyone’s interest is, but first of all we’re still in the mixing stages of a lot of songs and stuff. And yeah the whole pandemic does not help financially with things that don’t feel like, I mean on one hand feel super important, and on the other hand, feel like should be less of a priority when you’re not having a steady income, but I guess my income is never steady anyways.
Same. I think every artist is getting a hit in this industry. How do you think this is going to change the whole music industry — because we will open up, one day.
That’s true. Well, there is a lot of fear about live venues closing and stuff like that. I have a sense of, my sense of it that this whole pandemic kind of gives a lot of opportunity, like a lot more opportunity then they already had to like poachers, and people who are just seeking to profit off of things. And in that way, I feel like it freaks me out a lot.
And it freaks me out feeling like it’s possible that a lot of smaller musicians will have even less opportunities than they have had. You know, the only people that are making money in the music industry are like huge pop stars, right? But I do also think that this whole thing is bringing out, I’m expecting it and hoping for it, that its kind of bringing out kind of a renaissance in creativity.
There’s gonna be unfortunately, there’s gonna be certain people who are being left hopeless and might be feeling like they need to give up, but then there’s gonna be a lot of other people too who are more inspired and have a bigger impetus to keep going and to blast through and get their message out there no matter what. Which is something that I went through too, like the first couple of weeks I was a little lost and distraught. And then it was like one day I woke up and it was like ‘no, no you can’t give up. You gotta do all this stuff still.‘
The part of me that wanted to give up was also just enjoying doing whatever I wanted to do [laughs]. ‘Yeah let’s just chill,’ but I think I just needed a little vacation.
Are you ok now?
Yeah. I feel better, I feel a lot better. I think I’m kind of more drained, but also just still like [a] pretty steady mindset. ‘Alright its gotta happen.’
I actually had an idea I wanted to do for a music video for “Modern Revelry,” but that was right in the beginning of quarantine. I got this cool idea for it but then I didn’t know if the band mates were going to be down for it, and I — I really don’t want to tell you just in case I do end up getting to do it, but it was something that might be…risky. [laughs] But kind of like in the beginning of quarantine [it] felt like you could get away with anything, so I was like ‘maybe lets just do this shit’ and maybe I’ll get arrested but who cares.
Yeah, put that in the video.
[Laughs] Right? It’s important. So yeah I actually was planning on getting this song out, like with my whole album plans that I made in January, would have been actually in April. When all this stuff happened in mid March, like I said I was a little bit lost, and I then I had this big idea for this music video and I wanted to release it simultaneously with this song, but then it didn’t feel just quite so feasible. I guess that’s why it took so long for me to release the song because I got stuck on the video idea. And then it was like, ‘leave that alone for now, you gotta get this out.’
Also it just felt like, I think this song will help people feel better, well at least I hope. I want people to feel like it’s ok to be hiding from your– from life, from your thoughts, and fears. From the things you feel like you need to say. And a lot of people are hiding. I mean right now they’re hiding behind social media and they might be saying things that they wouldn’t otherwise say in person. There’s a lot of ways that people are [hiding]. They can potentially hide from their truth, from themselves, but yeah I wanted to share this kind of ‘coming out.’
“Modern Revelry (I Won’t Hide)” is now out on all streaming platforms. Stay up to date with the artist.